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kevinglave2163

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Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 1:09 PM
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I am creating a frame (not from frame generator) and I need to make it parametric based on the height needed. So basically I need the height to drive some features like adding cross bars the taller the frame gets or removing them if the frame becomes shorter. Is there a way to do this? The frame is a simple rectangle and is about 5 ft long by 3 ft wide and 13 feet tall. I need to have a cross brace every 3-4 ft along the height. Thanks in advance for your help.
JDMather

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Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 1:36 PM   in response to: kevinglave2163 in response to: kevinglave2163
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You didn't state what version of Inventor you are using?
Why not use Frame Generator?

Other techniques
Skeletal modeling - Derived Components
Multi-body Solids

Top-down adaptive assembly modeling.
kevinglave2163

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Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 1:40 PM   in response to: JDMather in response to: JDMather
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Thanks for the response, I am using Inventor 2009. Frame generator is not completely out of the question I could use it too but I didnt start with it.

Edited by: kevinglave2163 on Nov 2, 2009 1:40 PM
JDMather

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Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 1:57 PM   in response to: kevinglave2163 in response to: kevinglave2163
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2009 does not have multi-body solids so that won't work either.

I could use it too but I didn't start with it...


Then there is no guarantee that you can use skeletal/derived components without starting over.
Why can't you start over and do it right? I have proven here time and again that it is often much faster to simply start over with what you learned from the first attempt.

Can you attach what you have so far?
The solution might be something as simple as some parmetric dimension formulas.
kevinglave2163

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Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 2:01 PM   in response to: JDMather in response to: JDMather
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I am more than willing to start over. I just didnt have it modeled in frame generator. I could use frame generator if I have to, I am not that far into it anyway. Wouls you like a CAD file or a picture?
JDMather

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Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 2:03 PM   in response to: kevinglave2163 in response to: kevinglave2163
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Wouls you like a CAD file or a picture?


Inventor is not a very good picture editor.
kevinglave2163

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Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 2:12 PM   in response to: JDMather in response to: JDMather
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Attachment Projects.zip (316.6 KB)
Please see attached file

Assembly name is XXXXX Box Lift Frame ( two 27 inche boxex ) Weldment

Edited by: kevinglave2163 on Nov 2, 2009 2:12 PM
kevinglave2163

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Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 3:40 PM   in response to: kevinglave2163 in response to: kevinglave2163
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Were you sucessful in opening the file?
scottmoyse

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Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 10:56 PM   in response to: kevinglave2163 in response to: kevinglave2163
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I haven't played around with frame generator that much. So that could be the best way.



If you used skeletal models & parts etc.. you might be able to set up the features in the parts using conditional suppression based on a driven height parameter. I have done this successfully with lots of different types of models, you just haev to bend your mind around it. It would be so much easier for this kind of thing if Inventor had conditional suppression on parts in assemblies as well.



Having not played with it yet i can't say for sure. But from what i have read and understand, the iLogic add on for 2009 would do what you need with ease.



But again the frame generator may be the simplest option.
Igor Mironenko
Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 2:00 AM   in response to: kevinglave2163 in response to: kevinglave2163
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You can do it using iAssembly, subject the height of the structure can be
specified up-front. For the assembly as simple as yours all you need is to
create a single ipart. Then you will be able to create any (separate!)
configurations you want. I would have sent you a sample of the frame but the
files are IV2010.
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Igor.

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I am creating a frame (not from frame generator) and I need to make it
parametric based on the height needed. So basically I need the height to
drive some features like adding cross bars the taller the frame gets or
removing them if the frame becomes shorter. Is there a way to do this? The
frame is a simple rectangle and is about 5 ft long by 3 ft wide and 13 feet
tall. I need to have a cross brace every 3-4 ft along the height. Thanks in
advance for your help.
kevinglave2163

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Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 12:24 PM   in response to: Igor Mironenko in response to: Igor Mironenko
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Thanks for the response guys, Igor please send me the IV2010 files I do have IV2010 pro so I can open it. Thanks
Igor Mironenko
Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:35 AM   in response to: kevinglave2163 in response to: kevinglave2163
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Attachment Frame 1.zip (582.0 KB)
Here it is. In assembly file every time you select new configuration don't
forget to run "Rebuild All" (Ctrl+R) It's a little "convenience" of the
software.
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Igor.

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Thanks for the response guys, Igor please send me the IV2010 files I do have
IV2010 pro so I can open it. Thanks
kevinglave2163

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Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 4, 2009 1:10 PM   in response to: Igor Mironenko in response to: Igor Mironenko
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Thank you Igor, I will try it soon and let you know the results.
Igor Mironenko
Re: Parametric Assembly, Is this possible?
Posted: Nov 4, 2009 11:22 PM   in response to: kevinglave2163 in response to: kevinglave2163
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You are welcome. I would be interested to learn if the suggestion works for
you.
Regards,
Igor.

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Thank you Igor, I will try it soon and let you know the results.