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dave_fullmer

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Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 25, 2006 11:38 AM
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How do I create dimension styles which are "part of" the templates I use? When I'm working in a given template and drawing in model space, I want to be able to go to layout and update the dimensions so that, regardless of the zooms scales in various viewports on that layout, I want all the dimension scales to be the same so they're readable when I go to paper space & print.
Dean Saadallah
Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 25, 2006 1:05 PM   in response to: dave_fullmer in response to: dave_fullmer
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dimension in paperspace outside the viewport if you want
such a miracle feature.

Otherwise, you create as many dimstyles as you would have
scales and remember to reset to each one as each need
arises.

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jackshield

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Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 26, 2006 4:54 PM   in response to: Dean Saadallah in response to: Dean Saadallah
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watch out dean, last time i stated put dims in pspace i was informed how ignorant i was and had no idea what i was doing......autodesk put in that feature just for me to use
Dean Saadallah
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Posted: Sep 27, 2006 9:29 PM   in response to: jackshield in response to: jackshield
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don't worry what people say, do what you want, there is no
'right way' to do anything in AutoCAD.

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KDC Consulting
Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 26, 2006 1:17 AM   in response to: dave_fullmer in response to: dave_fullmer
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The only thing you need to vary in paper space is the dimlfac units and
dimension in paperspace. My technique is model space units are 1:1, and the
dimscale unit is set to 1/viewport scale. So you can scroll zoom so the
model space fits as you like, set the view port scale to the nearest integer
if possible (that way you can just type 1/3 or 1/15 etc. instead of
calculating the decimal equivelent and do your dimensioning there. Grip
editing makes dimension updates a snap after doing a soldraw to update your
model edits.

To speed things up I used have the 10x, 20x, 30x, 2x etc. templates
predefined, but it is only a few steps so I have drifted away from multiple
templates as I also have multiple title blocks for different companies. The
only time I dimension in model space is for 3d assembly drawings where you
need the dimension in iso or perspective, and then then you only need the
dimstyle's dimlfac to 1 and change the dimscale in that case.

Lots of ways to slice this one. You should also be able to determine a
formula to set your dimscale based on your viewport scale just about as
easy, but, one problem dimensioning in model space and varing the size of
the dimscale is that you could end up with a bunched up mess as you won't
get real time wysiwig as you are dimensioning...that could be a problem.

Maybe there is something here you can work with.

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How do I create dimension styles which are "part of" the templates I use?
When I'm working in a given template and drawing in model space, I want to
be able to go to layout and update the dimensions so that, regardless of the
zooms scales in various viewports on that layout, I want all the dimension
scales to be the same so they're readable when I go to paper space & print.
KDC Consulting
Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 26, 2006 1:20 AM   in response to: KDC Consulting in response to: KDC Consulting
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correction

 

The only thing you need to vary
in paper space is the dimlfac units and
dimension in paperspace. My technique
is model space units are 1:1, and the
DIMLFAC unit
is set to 1/viewport scale. So you can scroll zoom so the
model space fits as
you like, set the view port scale to the nearest integer
if possible (that
way you can just type 1/3 or 1/15 etc. instead of
calculating the decimal
equivelent and do your dimensioning there. Grip
editing makes dimension
updates a snap after doing a soldraw to update your
model
edits.


dave_fullmer

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Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 26, 2006 4:00 PM   in response to: KDC Consulting in response to: KDC Consulting
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Hi
My problem with dimensioning in paper space is that my monitor is small enough that I often need to zoom in order to see what I'm doing. I'd rather not mess with the zoom settings that fit the template the way I want just to put in a dimension.
DF
rculp@gt.rr.com

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Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 26, 2006 4:34 PM   in response to: dave_fullmer in response to: dave_fullmer
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"" I'd rather not mess with the zoom settings that fit the template the way I want ""

I think I need this one explained.
dave_fullmer

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Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 26, 2006 5:40 PM   in response to: rculp@gt.rr.com in response to: rculp@gt.rr.com
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I work in model space, including placing dimensions. When I'm done, I go to layout view & fit the drawing to my template border. At that point the dimensions are so small they can't be read but on my old machine, ACAD 2002 allowed me to choose "update" from the dimension menu at which point I could "sweep" over the dimensions & they'd all update to the desired scale and become readable, with proper dimension line offsets etc. I don't create dimensions on layout view or paper space because the scale is so small (especially on my monitor) I can't see where I'm snapping to. Yea, I could zoom in layout view but I'd rather leave the zoom alone since I've already fit it to the border. If I have to add a dimension later (often the case) my former method was to simply add it in model space, go to layout view and update that dimension to match the scale of the others, then go to paper space and re-print. When I got a new machine and re-installed ACAD 2002 all I could get when clicking update is the Dimension Style Manager box (just the same as when I pick "Style..." I saved my settings from the old machine, including the template files & dimension scale settings & pointed the new Support file search paths to them but, apparently this update "feature" wasn't one of them.
jackshield

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Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 26, 2006 6:55 PM   in response to: dave_fullmer in response to: dave_fullmer
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your missing the point, you can zoom in paperspace without changing the zoom factor of view port.
you can still updat dims to new scale, it will adjust spacing but not of the first line, just the space between like in a baseline dim, however, not having used used power dimensioning. that may not be the case.
pspace dimesioning has changed since 2002
rculp@gt.rr.com

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Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 27, 2006 1:04 AM   in response to: dave_fullmer in response to: dave_fullmer
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You know, that's the biggest work around for a non-problem I think I've ever seen.

I'm assuming that you're using a dimscale of 0 and a text style with a height of 0, good.

LOCK the viewport, select the viewport and checked the "Display Locked" setting to YES. That will free you up to zoom around the drawing to your heart's content.

Now if you want to retrieve a certain view in paperspace, save that view with the VIEW command, then recall it anytime you wish.

With the dim settings I've assumed above, you can dim through the viewport and the text size will adjust for the viewport scale, no need for changing tabs or updating dims.
jackshield

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Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 26, 2006 4:53 PM   in response to: dave_fullmer in response to: dave_fullmer
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dont have viewport active when zooming
rculp@gt.rr.com

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Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 26, 2006 5:13 PM   in response to: jackshield in response to: jackshield
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or lock it.
jackshield

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Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 26, 2006 5:35 PM   in response to: rculp@gt.rr.com in response to: rculp@gt.rr.com
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which is the first thing i do after creating and zooming to desired scale
KDC Consulting
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Posted: Sep 26, 2006 10:44 PM   in response to: jackshield in response to: jackshield
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me also

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which is the first thing i do after creating and zooming to desired scale
rculp@gt.rr.com

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Re: Update dim scale in layout, model view
Posted: Sep 27, 2006 10:11 PM   in response to: jackshield in response to: jackshield
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and me. I even have a routine that will lock all viewports in all tabs.