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Peter Funk - Au...
Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 6:21 PM
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All,

The Civil 3D team is excited by the interest shown in Windows 7 and on
moving to a 64 bit operating system. We have tested Civil 3D 2010 and
Windows 7 and haven't found any issues that should stop you from deploying
Civil 3D 2010 on it. We are planning to update our website to list Windows 7
as an operating system for Civil 3D.

Windows 7 is one of the operating systems that Civil 3D will be tested on
moving forward.

Regards,

Peter Funk
Autodesk, Inc.
wfb
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 6:46 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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I certainly have not found anything but welcomed relief as well.

Bill

Civil 3D 2010

Intel i7 965 Extreme Edition 3.20 GHz

Gigabyte MB
Corsair Dominator 12 Gb Ram
Raid drives (2)
Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT
Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT
Windows 7 x 64 Professional




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All,

The Civil 3D team is excited by the interest shown in Windows 7 and on
moving to a 64 bit operating system. We have tested Civil 3D 2010 and
Windows 7 and haven't found any issues that should stop you from deploying
Civil 3D 2010 on it. We are planning to update our website to list Windows 7
as an operating system for Civil 3D.

Windows 7 is one of the operating systems that Civil 3D will be tested on
moving forward.

Regards,

Peter Funk
Autodesk, Inc.
Matt.Anderson
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 6:55 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Great News - Thanks Peter!

Matthew Anderson, PE

Peter Funk - Autodesk wrote:
All,

The Civil 3D team is excited by the interest shown in Windows 7 and on
moving to a 64 bit operating system. We have tested Civil 3D 2010 and
Windows 7 and haven't found any issues that should stop you from deploying
Civil 3D 2010 on it. We are planning to update our website to list Windows 7
as an operating system for Civil 3D.

Windows 7 is one of the operating systems that Civil 3D will be tested on
moving forward.

Regards,

Peter Funk
Autodesk, Inc.
Matt Kolberg
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 7:07 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Eeeeexceleeent!

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; "Inc." wrote in message
news:6282205@discussion.autodesk.com...
All,

The Civil 3D team is excited by the interest shown in Windows 7 and on
moving to a 64 bit operating system. We have tested Civil 3D 2010 and
Windows 7 and haven't found any issues that should stop you from deploying
Civil 3D 2010 on it. We are planning to update our website to list Windows 7
as an operating system for Civil 3D.

Windows 7 is one of the operating systems that Civil 3D will be tested on
moving forward.

Regards,

Peter Funk
Autodesk, Inc.
neilw
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 7:41 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Interesting news. This may not be the best place to ask, but what are the
prospects of running a WIN 7 64 bit client on a Windows Server 2003 network?
davevoith

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 7:45 PM   in response to: neilw in response to: neilw
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You have to install this update on your server.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926505
neilw
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 7:53 PM   in response to: davevoith in response to: davevoith
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Great!
dcouch@waldenas...

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 9:06 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Any idea on when C3D will be a 64 bit program??

Dave
Terry W. Dotson
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 2, 2009 10:05 PM   in response to: dcouch@waldenas... in response to: dcouch@waldenas...
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dcouch@waldenassociates.net wrote:

Any idea on when C3D will be a 64 bit program??


If history repeats itself there will a 2011 version of C3D in April 2010
and since a 64bit version is long overdue, that's my guess.

Terry
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Buzz123

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 3:43 AM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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We've got a box running Vista 64 and we had troubles with office programs and Civil3d freezing on loading. Following a bit of detective work we suspect the culprit was "Security Update for MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 (KB954430)".

I've just trialled a Win7 Ultimate 64bit laptop and encountered similar problems. I uninstalled the security update, but the problem was still intermittent.

Back to the old WinXP box (sigh).

Michael
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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 3:21 PM   in response to: Buzz123 in response to: Buzz123
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We've been testing two machines loaded 64 bit Win7, and another laptop with 32 bit Win7 and our experience is that 2010 Civil 3D runs better than any other operating systems. There are fewer crashes and hardware seems to be optimized. Can't wait for 64 bit C3D!
Laurie
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 7:36 PM   in response to: chadcrabtree in response to: chadcrabtree
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Hi chadcrabtree,


{Quote}our experience is that 2010 Civil 3D runs better than any other operating systems{Quote}


Wow!!!! Look out Microsoft, MAC, Unix. :-)


Regards,


Laurie Comerford


chadcrabtree wrote:
We've been testing two machines loaded 64 bit Win7, and another laptop with 32 bit Win7 and our experience is that 2010 Civil 3D runs better than any other operating systems. There are fewer crashes and hardware seems to be optimized. Can't wait for 64 bit C3D!
auzzie2776

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 7:43 PM   in response to: Laurie in response to: Laurie
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hi laurie, you left out novell, lantastic and sneakernet.

lol
chadcrabtree

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 7:56 PM   in response to: Laurie in response to: Laurie
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My apologies, meant to say it runs better on Win7 than other MS operating systems in my humble opinion.
Laurie
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 5, 2009 9:50 PM   in response to: chadcrabtree in response to: chadcrabtree
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Hi chadcrabtree,

No need for apologies. It was reasonably obvious what you meant. Your
post was constructive and far more useful than those from auzzie2776 and me.


Regards,


Laurie Comerford


chadcrabtree wrote:
My apologies, meant to say it runs better on Win7 than other MS operating systems in my humble opinion.
ACADuser

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 5, 2009 10:08 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Peter,

How soon do you expect the website to be updated ?

Our IT folks are very particular and would only install per the official documentation.

TIA
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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 5, 2009 10:42 PM   in response to: ACADuser in response to: ACADuser
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Those pages can take a while to update. Will this work in the interim?
http://beingcivil.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/windows-7revisited.html

HTH,
JW
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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 6, 2009 8:12 PM   in response to: James Wedding, ... in response to: James Wedding, ...
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Thanks for that link. I talked to the guy over in IT who is helping convince the higher-ups to allow us to go to a 64bit OS. Although they have not made the decision yet, it does not sound promising. What I am hearing is that; We currently have approximately 3500+ machines that are running XP 32bit and are being supported by IT. So going to a 64bit OS is going to be a huge undertaking. They have ran some tests in the past using 64bit Vista (GIS users) and did not see any real benefits at that time. They do understand that we (Civil 3D users) stand to benefit from a 64bit OS. It's just that they will have to determine if they are ready to start supporting a new OS.

Thanks again.
Laurie
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 6, 2009 10:21 PM   in response to: ACADuser in response to: ACADuser
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Hi ACADuser,

Why not call them every time you have a problem with Civil 3D - no
matter how trivial or how irrelevant. Eventually they will come to
realise that supporting Civil 3D on Windows 7 64 bit is easier than
supporting Civil 3D on an older and less capable O/S

Regards,


Laurie Comerford


ACADuser wrote:
Thanks for that link. I talked to the guy over in IT who is helping convince the higher-ups to allow us to go to a 64bit OS. Although they have not made the decision yet, it does not sound promising. What I am hearing is that; We currently have approximately 3500+ machines that are running XP 32bit and are being supported by IT. So going to a 64bit OS is going to be a huge undertaking. They have ran some tests in the past using 64bit Vista (GIS users) and did not see any real benefits at that time. They do understand that we (Civil 3D users) stand to benefit from a 64bit OS. It's just that they will have to determine if they are ready to start supporting a new OS.

Thanks again.
dbigliazzi

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 10, 2009 4:38 PM   in response to: Laurie in response to: Laurie
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IT guy here - worst idea ever Laurie. Beer and pizza will go much further than constant phone calls about trivial and irrelevant issues. All that will get you is ignored (at best).
My advice - make a compelling business case for it, volunteer to be a Windows 7 pilot program. We like Windows 7 too, but not everyone's ready for it..
robert.thomson@...

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 10, 2009 8:20 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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I am running Civil 3D 2010 on Win7 X64 with 8GB and all of my problems are solved. I can load as many drawings as I want anytime without a hitch. Before I was constantly running out of memory.

I sure hope to see Civil 2011 64 bit this coming year.
Ned.Fowler@sci-...

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:12 PM   in response to: robert.thomson@... in response to: robert.thomson@...
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I'm also running Civil 3D 2010 on Windows7 and 8GB and it's sweet except for two problems. 1. Periodically when I click on a folder to open a drawing everything locks up including the keyboard. 2. When saving a drawing I get an "Autocad Message" "One or more objects in this drawing cannot be saved to the specified format. The operation was not completed and no file was created." any ideas out there?

N Fowler
SCI Mgmt
AllenJessup

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 19, 2009 2:13 PM   in response to: Ned.Fowler@sci-... in response to: Ned.Fowler@sci-...
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Very disappointing to hear this is still an issue. No solution but here's a bit of history: http://discussion.autodesk.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=661734

BTW If you're on subscription make sure you submit a suport request!

Allen

Edited by: AllenJessup on Nov 19, 2009 9:14 AM
denver.collingw...

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 11, 2009 5:11 AM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Hi Peter,

I am trying to solve our C3D issues here in regards to the program running out of memory so I just setup one of the Dell T3500s with Win7 64bit and I created my C3D2010 64bit install. All that worked fine and it installed fine, but then when I try and run the program it loads for a second and then just closes. The other programs that install all run, just not the C3D. We also have the 32bit version of C3D but I wanted to go w/ the 64bit to take full advantage of the resources. It has something to do with creating the local profile for C3D, because when I delete that under C:\users\... ... ... it tries to reinstall and does the same thing again. Are there any updates you can suggest that might help? I am the local network admin here at our office, but try and do what I can to push for the CAD users. I will check back tomorrow and keep reading posts and see if anyone else has this issue. I'm just sick of XP and so far love Windows 7. Please let me know if there is any info I can provide you that will help you evaluate my problem. Thanks.

Denver
Matt.Anderson
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 11, 2009 1:57 PM   in response to: denver.collingw... in response to: denver.collingw...
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I would check in the Users\UserName\AppData\Local\Temp directory for a
Civil 3d log file. Something is amiss. I installed easily and without
issue on Win7 64 and am loving it. (But then I also was running it on
the beta and RC versions as well of Win7)

Matthew Anderson, PE



denver.collingwood@tcb.aecom.com wrote:
Hi Peter,

I am trying to solve our C3D issues here in regards to the program running out of memory so I just setup one of the Dell T3500s with Win7 64bit and I created my C3D2010 64bit install. All that worked fine and it installed fine, but then when I try and run the program it loads for a second and then just closes. The other programs that install all run, just not the C3D. We also have the 32bit version of C3D but I wanted to go w/ the 64bit to take full advantage of the resources. It has something to do with creating the local profile for C3D, because when I delete that under C:\users\... ... ... it tries to reinstall and does the same thing again. Are there any updates you can suggest that might help? I am the local network admin here at our office, but try and do what I can to push for the CAD users. I will check back tomorrow and keep reading posts and see if anyone else has this issue. I'm just sick of XP and so far love Windows 7. Please let me know if there is any info I can provide you that will help you evaluate my problem. Thanks.

Denver
rphopkins

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 13, 2009 7:30 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Peter,

I am currently running Autodesk Civil 3D with Land Desktop Companion and Civil Design Companion. I just bought a new workstation with Windows 7 64 bit thinking that I could run all of my Autodesk products in a compatabiliy mode and be fine. I was incorrect, to say the least. Every programs runs as a simple Autocad application and I cannot get to any of the Civil or Land Desktop components. Is Autodesk going to try and make an update or am i forced to run my new computer in XP?

Thanks,

Ryan
James Wedding, ...
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 13, 2009 7:42 PM   in response to: rphopkins in response to: rphopkins
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You didn't state what versions you were talking about, but I have
installed C3D 2009 and 2010 on W7-64 with very few problems. Are you
sure you have a clean installation? Have you tried reimporting the
profiles, etc that make C3D/LDT what they are?

HTH
JW
Peter Funk - Au...
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 13, 2009 8:31 PM   in response to: rphopkins in response to: rphopkins
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Ryan,

We have no plans to re-engineer any version of LDT to work with Windows 7,
but LDT 2009 runs fine on my Vista 64 computer and James is running fine on
Windows 7 64. What version are you talking about?

Idea for the future... Instead of keeping older software on every
workstation, look at virtual machines. We are using a VM server here to
allow people to use different combnations of "hardware" and operating
systems for testing. If most of the office has switched over to Civil 3D,
you could have a VM server with few LDT "machines" running XP 32 that could
be checked out and ran on any desktop in the company. With the speed and CPU
power of todays machines you might find that the VMs run as fast as a high
end machine from a few years ago.

Peter Funk
Autodesk, Inc.
James Wedding, ...
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 13, 2009 8:41 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Tap the brakes just a bit, I was talking about C3D. I haven't installed
LDT in five years on my own machine. I don't even know how to drive
it anymore.

I would be surprised if LDT2009 wouldn't run on W7, I've seen some
people put really old junk on W7 and run it just fine.

JW
Peter Funk - Au...
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 13, 2009 8:47 PM   in response to: James Wedding, ... in response to: James Wedding, ...
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Sorry James!

LDT 2009 runs in Vista 64 so I would be surprised LDT 2009 wouldn't run in
Windows 7 64.

Peter Funk
Autodesk, Inc.
rphopkins

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 13, 2009 8:50 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Peter and James,

I apologize, I completely forgot to say that it is the 2007 version of Civil 3d. We are only two engineers (one of which rarely goes beyond plotting) using Land Desktop so I am not sure we would set up the virtual system.

If you have any other suggestions that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ryan
Murph
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 13, 2009 8:57 PM   in response to: rphopkins in response to: rphopkins
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Setting up a VM is not that hard, I was able to do it. :) If upgrading to
Civil3D 2010 is too costly on your business then look at AutoCAD Civil.

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Peter and James,

I apologize, I completely forgot to say that it is the 2007 version of Civil
3d. We are only two engineers (one of which rarely goes beyond plotting)
using Land Desktop so I am not sure we would set up the virtual system.

If you have any other suggestions that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ryan
StevenBryant

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 13, 2009 10:41 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Dont want to burst your bubble but it doesnt install flawlessly on windows 7.
Civil 3d as Autocad installed but not Civil 3d.
AND civil 3d as autocad crashed upon opening a drawing. There may be some bugs development is not aware of at tis time.
Its too bad, I was looking forward to using it in windows 7.
Brentster7189

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 13, 2009 11:14 PM   in response to: StevenBryant in response to: StevenBryant
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We've had a few issues that we've posted over at this other thread if any of you have encountered any of these?

http://discussion.autodesk.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=6290293#6290293

I have also experienced the "One or more objects in this drawing cannot be saved to the specified format", I think I only had it happen on one drawing, and I never did figure it out.

Brent Daley
Civil Designer/CAD Services Manager
The Land Group, Inc.

Edited by: Brentster7189 on Nov 18, 2009 1:36 PM
dei-feif

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 13, 2009 11:15 PM   in response to: StevenBryant in response to: StevenBryant
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Again, WHICH VERSION doesn't install on Windows 7?

I, too, have installed C3D 2010 on Windows 7 with no problems. I have not tried 2009 yet, but I would be surprised if it didn't work, since it works on Vista x64. I actually have all of LDC 2008-2009 and C3D 2008-2010 all installed on Vista x64. I had to hack the 2008 installers to allow installation on 64-bit systems, but after that, everything installed and runs with no issues.

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rl_jackson

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 14, 2009 2:35 AM   in response to: dei-feif in response to: dei-feif
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No problems here C3d2010 running W7 very stable even on may old (5yr+) dell dimension 380 workstation with 3GB.
ToddW
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 18, 2009 3:31 PM   in response to: rl_jackson in response to: rl_jackson
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Running civil3D 2010, 2009 & LDC 2009 on Win7 64 without any issues. Less
crashes better performance. Win7 seems to give less of headache than Vista
did.

wrote in message news:6289063@discussion.autodesk.com...
No problems here C3d2010 running W7 very stable even on may old (5yr+) dell
dimension 380 workstation with 3GB.
USGRAM

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:57 PM   in response to: ToddW in response to: ToddW
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Running Civil 3D 2010 on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit no issues. Infact a great relief to get out of Vista 64-bit! Panning in files with large aerials just got better!



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KEVINNEATT1037

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 4, 2009 7:39 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Hi All,

We are looking to upgrade our PC's.
We are using WXP 32bit. and I am trying to make the cse to our IT guys that we need to be using W7 64bit.

We are using C3D2010 and AutoCAD 2010. we switch back and worth with network licenses, when required.

Are there any compatibility issues with using regular AutoCAD 2010 64bit and C3D 2010 32bit all on W7, opening the same drawings?

What are your thoughts?

Thanks
Kevin
James Wedding, ...
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 4, 2009 8:21 PM   in response to: KEVINNEATT1037 in response to: KEVINNEATT1037
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The dwg documents are exactly the same, but there is no C3D Object
Enabler for Acad-64. To view the C3D objects, you'll have to turn on
PROXYGRAPHICS in each C3D file so that they are saved with display
representations of the C3D objects.

Beyond that, you should be a happy camper.

HTH
JW
snieradka@chaco...

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 17, 2009 5:17 PM   in response to: James Wedding, ... in response to: James Wedding, ...
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In testing we're finding that turning on PROXYGRAPHICS does not save representations of all C3D objects, or all elements of certain objects. We're not seeing basic things like points, alignments, grading objects et. al., so this is not a currently workable solution. Without proper proxys or an object enabler there is no functional interoperability with the range of 64-bit AutoCAD products.

Being a multidiscipline firm this is a real problem. Is there any chance that we can at least get PROXYGRAPHICS to work?

Steve
James Wedding, ...
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 17, 2009 9:33 PM   in response to: snieradka@chaco... in response to: snieradka@chaco...
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I don't have Acad 2010 on a 64-bit machine, so this is new to me. Have
you logged a support request?

JW
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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 4, 2009 8:50 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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I am running a home use copy of C3d on
Win7 64, AMD2.66 Phenom Quad Core, 8GB of DDR3 ram with a 5400 1TBHD, and an ATI 4350(??) 512mb GC.

Install was flawless and so far I have not had any issues at all with the performance even though I am running an uncertified card and a processor slower than the 3.0 recommended and a slow hard drive. It pushes my 23" widescreen well and the 64bit OS helps significantly with memory allocation.

64bit software would be the cat's meow. PLEASE make it a priority. It may be the only way to get IT to get out of XPsp2 32-bit mindset.

Edited by: jvmckenzie@mactec.com on Dec 4, 2009 8:51 PM

Edited by: jvmckenzie@mactec.com on Dec 4, 2009 8:52 PM
Peter Funk - Au...
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 7, 2009 2:42 AM   in response to: jvmckenzie@mact... in response to: jvmckenzie@mact...
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Make sure that your IT department knows the advantages of running the
current 32 bit version of Civil 3D on a 64 bit operating system like Windows
7. The main advantage is that Civil 3D that in the 8 year old version of
Windows XP x32 it is limited to 2 gigabytes of system memory, but in Windows
7 x64 it has 4 gigabytes of memory. Here is a link to a document that we put
together:
http://images.autodesk.com/adsk/files/autocad_civil_3d_technical_note_harnessingpowerofcivil3d.pdf

Regards,

Peter Funk
Civil 3D Product Manager
Autodesk, Inc.
Grey555

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 7, 2009 4:38 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Peter - that's a great whitepaper. I'm using that as well as your interview here http://www.civil3d.com/2009/11/new-computer-windows-7-and-an-interview-with-peter-funk/ on getting us out of the age of the dinosaurs, OS wise (our office are all on xp 32 bit) - to upgrade to Windows 7, x64. Personally, I'm completely sold - and most others are too. So, thank you for being so straightforward.

**(for anyone else)**
Anyway, I was wondering: you'd mentioned there's no major issues that should stop one from deploying Windows 7 and Civil 3D. Specifically, I was wondering about 32 and 64 bit files. I know that we'll still be receiving a number of 32 bit files for AutoCAD, and sending 64 bit ones after the transition. I've heard from other sources say there's no real issues either, but, I was wondering specifically if you've heard/experience of anything to that extent,(ie - reading a 64 bit file in a 32 bit OS and vice versa) and if so, were you able to solve the issue?

Thanks

Edited by: Grey555 on Dec 7, 2009 4:39 PM
dei-feif

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 7, 2009 4:40 PM   in response to: Grey555 in response to: Grey555
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At the moment, there is no 64-bit version of Civil 3D. So all you are doing is running 32-bit Civil 3D on a 64-bit system, and there is no difference from the user's perspective except C3D works better.

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 7, 2009 6:15 PM   in response to: Grey555 in response to: Grey555
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There should be NO difference between a file produced on a 32bit and 64bit
OS or application. That said, a 64 bit OS or application may be able to
create a file that is too large to open on a 32 bit OS, but the internals of
that file should be just the same.

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Peter Funk
Autodesk, Inc.
Grey555

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 7, 2009 6:29 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Thanks for the replies guys.

Peter, can you get into more detail re: a 64 bit OS being able to create a file too large for a 32 bit OS? Specifically, can you give me any indication how big or at what point a 32 bit OS will begin having issues w/ a 64 bit created file? Or would that just depend on things like the overall complexity of the file and/or the hardware configuration of each system?

My fear is that we push forward on Windows 7, but then most/all of our outside contacts begin complaining they can't open up our files created in a 64 bit environment.

Thanks.
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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 7, 2009 6:57 PM   in response to: Grey555 in response to: Grey555
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It would need to be REALLY big. At the threshold we're talking about,
the pain of working in it would probably force you to deal with the size
regardless of what OS you were sharing it with.

HTH,
JW
Peter Funk - Au...
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 7, 2009 7:12 PM   in response to: James Wedding, ... in response to: James Wedding, ...
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Well said James - you may be able to work on a file with a 64 bit OS that
you wouldn't want to on a 32 bit OS. We'll try to put together a matrix for
OS / Application 32/64 with some suggested limits. WIth that you should be
able to adjust your projects so they can be shared with fewer problems.

Cheers,

Peter Funk
Autodesk, Inc.
Laurie
Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Dec 7, 2009 7:38 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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Hi Peter,

I it's more work but it could be a good idea to include in the table the
effects of running a few other programs simultaneously.

There would be very few computers which aren't running several other
programs in the back ground while using Civil 3D

I've more or less just switched on, but I have the following open:
Firefox
Thunderbird
Note-It
Tagkeys
Open Office writer
AVG
Foxit reader
2 * Windows Explorer
Several extraneous Windows services checking for upgrades which don't
list in the Windows task Manager - Applications.

Soon I'll be starting Civil 3D, Snag-It, WinCHM, Open Office Calc and
through the day I'll probably start most of: Info Select, Inno Setup,
PS-Pad, Paint.NET, Irfan View, Word 2007, Visual Basic 2008, VB6 and
Access 2007

I'm sure others would have similar sets of software they use on a day to
day basis.

Regards,


Laurie Comerford


Peter Funk - Autodesk wrote:
Well said James - you may be able to work on a file with a 64 bit OS that
you wouldn't want to on a 32 bit OS. We'll try to put together a matrix for
OS / Application 32/64 with some suggested limits. WIth that you should be
able to adjust your projects so they can be shared with fewer problems.

Cheers,

Peter Funk
Autodesk, Inc.
Merle Knipple

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Re: Windows 7 and Civil 3D
Posted: Feb 8, 2010 5:39 PM   in response to: Peter Funk - Au... in response to: Peter Funk - Au...
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I'm a newbie when it comes to Windows 7 so forgive me for the possible "stupid" questions? Can you recommend a C3D 2010 network configuration that works with Windows 7 Professional 64 bit? Currently we're experiencing C3D 2010 network delployment issues with regards to H&H extensions, even though the H&HApps folder is clearly being created in the correct locations. None of the H&H extensions would initialize and autocad would give us an "Invalid Installion" error. I did a reinstall using the dvd's and opened C3d, initialized Hydroflow and got an unhandled expection (sorry didn't screen capture) clicked continue and it finished initializing without any further errors. Any suggesttions as to what or how we can resolve these inconsistancies?