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Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 10, 2009 7:24 AM
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Hi all,
After months of telling our IT dept. to install a 64 bit OS on our workstations, they have finally decided to go for it. However, initially they were advised Vista64 would be preferable, but have now decided to go for XP64 as apparently it costs nothing to change the license from 32 bit to 64 bit (currently running XP Pro 32 bit). They are also finally going to install Inventor 2009.
Just wonderin if this is false economy, given that another OS upgrade will probably never happen - or will XP64 be stable enough & futureproof for further Inventor upgrades (I'm thinking about DirectX10 for example). Has anyone experienced pros/cons of either system running Inventor 2009?
Personally, I've used Vista64 on a home built system with 8GB ram and have been impressed by the crash free stability since installed.
Dell Precision T7400 Quadro FX 1700
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 10, 2009 7:40 AM
in response to: grobbarg
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Do an inventor of all drivers required for peripheral devices. Printer drivers for XP64 can be a problem. Either version of 64bit works well, the problem with XP64 was it's release timed the Microsoft announcement of Vista, which doomed driver development. This is the reason that our copies of XP64 still remain uninstalled. -- InventorSuite 2010 Dell Precision 690 Dual Quad Core E5320 @ 1.86GHz 4Gb DDR SDRam - 667 Mhz, ECC SAS 146Gb - 15k rpm Quadro FX3500 256Mb - Driver: 182.08 Bios: 5.71.22.55.08 Direct 3D XP Pro Sp3 3Gb/2800 Space Explorer USB, release: 3.6.11 driver 6.6.4 firmware 3.17 AVG 8.5
Hi all, After months of telling our IT dept. to install a 64 bit OS on our workstations, they have finally decided to go for it. However, initially they were advised Vista64 would be preferable, but have now decided to go for XP64 as apparently it costs nothing to change the license from 32 bit to 64 bit (currently running XP Pro 32 bit). They are also finally going to install Inventor 2009. Just wonderin if this is false economy, given that another OS upgrade will probably never happen - or will XP64 be stable enough & futureproof for further Inventor upgrades (I'm thinking about DirectX10 for example). Has anyone experienced pros/cons of either system running Inventor 2009? Personally, I've used Vista64 on a home built system with 8GB ram and have been impressed by the crash free stability since installed. Dell Precision T7400 Quadro FX 1700
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 10, 2009 12:26 PM
in response to: grobbarg
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I agree with Blair. It looks like a case of "penny wise - pound foolish".
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 10, 2009 12:51 PM
in response to: grobbarg
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I just built a new system and put XP 64 on it. I have a 32 bit Vista laptop and can't stand the interface. I have dozens of customers who are also running XP 64 without issue. I have had absolutely no problem locating drivers for my printers and other peripherals. Like many, I feel like Vista is a temporary solution to keep the money mills running at Microsoft, just like when they introduced Millennium. I'm looking forward to taking look at Windows 7 when it is released. I don't do temporary or beta operating systems. -- Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert. Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615 AIP 2008 SP3, AIP 2009-SP1 PcCillin AV AMD 64 x2 3.0 Ghz, 8GB RAM GeForce 9800GT 512MB
XP Pro SP3, Windows XP Silver Theme http://teknigroup.com
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 10, 2009 3:36 PM
in response to: Dennis Jeffrey
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I would go with Vista X64. Vista was designed to be a 64 bit OS, XP was made into a 64 bit OS. Autodesk recomends Vista 64 bit over XP 64.
I'm not sure why everyone hates Vista so much. It IS a better OS than XP. It may appear to be a little more resource intensive and that is partly true and partly by design. But you are going to be sticking over 4GB of ram into the machine so I am betting you won't see any performance problems.
So why in the world would I like Vista over XP when it seems like the rest of the free world would rather use Windows 3.1?
Security. There hasn't been a virus attack that a user didn't install yet.
Start menu app launching. Hit the start button and type the program you would like to open hit enter and poof there it is.
Instant search. Everything, or the areas you choose, are indexed. Looking for that file? Just type it in the start menu, or from within windows explorer. And yes, I know there are things that will do this in XP, but IMHO, they don't work as well as instant search.
Preview. For example, click on a Word, Excel, Powerpoint, PDF etc. in windows explorer and you can view a document without opening it. Handy when looking for someting that you aren't quite sure what you are looking for.
Reliabilty and Performance monitor. If your computer crashes you can open this monitor to research if there were any software installs or driver installs that may have made your system unstable.
Previewing of open programs from the task bar, or alt tab. You can see what is in the minimized program by putting your mouse over it, or if you alt tab you get a nice preview as well.
And I could go on. Nothing earth shattering, but there are a lot of little things that make it better than XP.
I'm not sure what about the interface is so dratically different from XP that would cause someone a problem. It's the same basic layout but it looks nicer. There was a lot of foundation laid in Vista and that foundation is now paying off in Windows 7.
And if you don't like the interface of Vista, I can't see how you are going to like the Windows 7 interface. There isn't a whole lot of difference. I like Windows 7 a lot. I'm using it as my primary OS now.
I just think it is funny that Vista is worst OS ever, and Windows 7 gets nothing but great reviews. You will not find that much difference between them, but there is improvements.
Kevin
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 10, 2009 4:45 PM
in response to: kellings
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The point I was making was that either OS is just fine. The objection that xp64 did not have all the drivers is just not true. When Vista first came out, it was also true for that OS. I remember that when xp first came out we reverted to Win2000 because of the driver issue also. BTW, xp64 is not a hack of xp32. It is Windows Server with the server components largely removed. I have not seen crashes or viruses. -- Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert. Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615 AIP 2008 SP3, AIP 2009-SP1 PcCillin AV AMD 64 x2 3.0 Ghz, 8GB RAM GeForce 9800GT 512MB
XP Pro SP3, Windows XP Silver Theme http://teknigroup.com
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 12, 2009 9:30 AM
in response to: grobbarg
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A few weeks ago I bought a MacBook Pro with 8 Gb Ram, just to run Inventor. I first installed XP Pro 64 bit, but the lack of drivers made me change to Vista 64. All looks good, but I keep loosing my license of Inventor (the last week I had to contact Autodesk 5 times because my license was broken). Does anyone know of this problem?
Thx
Frank
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 12, 2009 2:27 PM
in response to: devreese
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This issue sounds like you either do not have adequate user permissions to install properly, or that you have installed your software without fully disabling your antivirus and/or UAC settings. Read these two documents:
You probably have an issue with your installs. In any event, more information is needed in order to help you. See this for information on submitting system specifications.
http://teknigroup.com/support/Inventor/Howto.html
Installation tips:
http://teknigroup.com/tutorials/InstallAdsk2009.html
-- Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert. Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615 AIP 2008 SP3, AIP 2009-SP1 PcCillin AV xp64 sp2, XP Pro SP3, Windows XP Silver Theme http://teknigroup.com A few weeks ago I bought a MacBook Pro with 8 Gb Ram, just to run Inventor. I first installed XP Pro 64 bit, but the lack of drivers made me change to Vista 64. All looks good, but I keep loosing my license of Inventor (the last week I had to contact Autodesk 5 times because my license was broken). Does anyone know of this problem? Thx Frank
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 12, 2009 2:46 PM
in response to: devreese
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Let me see if I can guess your setup. You are using Inventor 2009 or earlier and you have an external USB drive or Firewire drive connected that you disconnect when you move around with the laptop?
Am I right? If I am I believe there are only 2 things you can do. Upgrade to Inventor 2010, or quit disconnecting the USB/Firewire drive (yes I know this isn't very practical and defeats the purpose).
I had this same issue on my Macbook Pro and an Autodesk employee helped me and some others figure out the issue. It has been fixed with Inventor 2010.
Kevin
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 15, 2009 6:35 AM
in response to: kellings
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Hello Kevin,
My data is on the laptop, but indeed I do use an external USB drive to make backups. And indeed it could be the fact that every time I connect the external driver to my laptop, the license has disappeared. Is there a possibility to keep on using the external drive with IV 2009? My older projects are on that machine, and although I'm upgrading to IV2010 next friday, I still need 2009 for some of my customers.
Regards,
Frank
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 15, 2009 6:35 AM
in response to: kellings
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Hello Kevin,
My data is on the laptop, but indeed I do use an external USB drive to make backups. And indeed it could be the fact that every time I connect the external driver to my laptop, the license has disappeared. Is there a possibility to keep on using the external drive with IV 2009? My older projects are on that machine, and although I'm upgrading to IV2010 next friday, I still need 2009 for some of my customers.
Regards,
Frank
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 15, 2009 3:30 PM
in response to: devreese
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I will look at the emails I got from the Autodesk guy, but if I remember right the only way to fix it is to not connect a USB drive in the first place, or once you do, don't disconnect it, or upgrade to 2010.
Sorry. I can verify that it is fixed in 2010.
Kevin
Edited by: kellings on Apr 15, 2009 3:31 PM
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Re: Vista64 or XP64?
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Apr 16, 2009 2:36 PM
in response to: grobbarg
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I have a desktop machine with XP64 and a laptop with Vista 32. The following items will work on my Vista laptop but not on my XP64 desktop:
- MDT import (works on Vista laptop): I get an error message about something not being licensed
- IGS open (works on Vista laptop): The program goes through its routine and the result is no part or composite listed
- Stress analysis: After assigning fixed constraints and loads the program quickly crashes when clicking on the update button.
- Adding user parameter data then using this data in BOM & part lists.
- I have had a couple of content center items that while placing them in the design will list the part in the browser but there is no actual part generated.
Other than the above items it runs good on the XP64 machine. It is a pain having to go back and forth between computers to do certain things. So far no response on why this is happening. I purchased a seat of Vista 64 hoping it will fix these items.
Regarding other issues with XP 64, I have had some other software that won't run with it (ex: Acrobat 7.0, automatic back up software, had to upgrade a couple others).
I had to purchase a new HP office jet machine and the drivers for XP64 have a limited amount of features compared to the XP32 & Vista drivers.
I have to send drawings to my plotter using the Vista laptop, then through a XP32 bit computer, then to my plotter. I had to turn off the print spooler feature due to rendered/ colored drawings taking 2+ hours to dump to the plotter. With the spooler turned off it takes about 40 minutes. If I do it out of my XP64, then through the XP32, it locks up the computer until done. My Vista laptop release the computer after about 15 seconds. I am aware of aftermarket drivers for the plotter but this works for now.
Knowing this I would have just went right to Vista 64.
XP 64 desktop w/ 4 g ram, ATI 512mb video card
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