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<GaryElswick5627> wrote in message news:6156082@discussion.autodesk.com...

Just
now implementing 2009 in anticipation of 2010 and all the "Survey"
improvements. Won't hold my breath though. Have been using ACad since 2.5 and
long ago learned not to believe the sales hype. Have been going back and forth
between implementing both PowerCivil and C3D for a year or more, but when the
phone rings and something needs to get out the door I use LDD to get the job
done since I am very familiar with it. So why C3D, certainly not because of
all the accolades on these newsgroups, but then I realize people come here
with problems not praise. To all the early testers of this program, thank you.
I still see 2009 as you talk about 2006, usable for some things but do I
really want to base our work product on something this buggy. We use a number
of tools and am amazed at what people consider acceptable in defects. Example:
We use a GPS network with centimeter level accuracy in REAL TIME. The
components consist of a constellation of earth orbiting satellites, ground
based receivers that decode nano second time signals from the satellites to
determine position, a cell phone with a blue tooth connection to the receiver
and at the same time contacting the network state wide stations to get the
real time corrections mostly consisting of ionospheric atmosphere corrections.
Then in 3-5 seconds from hitting the measure button the output, based on
Geiod03 grid gravity measurements, is recorded in a choice of different 3D
coordinate systems. Then this data is dumped into software that crashes when a
cad operator picks a line or point. Wow, the moral at Auto Desk must be
unbelievably low.... Pouring fuel on the fire: when 2010 is available for
download do we have to go to http://myfeedback.autodesk.com/ and sign up as a
beta tester or is that implied? Gary E.

Wow,
the 3 usual suspects working on weekends as usual. Neil, I have been following
your posts both here and, uh, over there, and what I know about PowerCivil I
like. The major difficulty I have with PC are the language differences, being
raised on AutoCad learning the uStation terminology was like Greek to me.
Pluses: have not had a single crash. Since we are a survey company I have not
had the need to use nearly as much of the program as you have from what I have
seen from your posts in both places. It would be nice if we could combine
certain key aspects of them, they both have good points and, uh, some not so
good points. We will use both because that is what clients want. Have a
billion dollar client that only wants pdf's as the work product, but then have
many smaller clients that want a dwg digital file as the work product to be
used as a base. Another billion dollar client only wants dgn files but will
grudgingly accept a dwg. They also use our product as a base to design from.
Working on obtaining a third billion dollar client that also only wants dgn,
don't know yet if they will accept dwg or not. Note we do no DOT work if that
is what you are thinking, these are large private companies. IF I were
starting today with the above client base then it would be PowerCivil and
deliver exported dwg's when required. But with the LDD years of knowledge.....
Have been implementing both when things are slow and have 12D waiting to be
given a good test, have heard some good things about that program also. As we
need additional seats the market at that time will determine whose company we
obtain them from.