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Pattern Assembly's?
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Oct 28, 2008 12:33 PM
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Hello,
Is there a possibility te pattern (or arry) assembly's with MDT6?
I have a part and that part must be pattern 17x with a 2000mm spacing. Now I must constrain 17 parts.
Is there a solution?
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Oct 28, 2008 6:03 PM
in response to: Siebrenmetz
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Not in Mechanical Desktop to my knowledge. I'm sure you do not
want to hear this, but this is a feature of Inventor. You can open an assembly
file in Inventor, insert the mechanical desktop part without translation, and
pattern it without applying any constraints. The positions will hold until you
edit the pattern. In Mechanical Desktop you'll need to fully constrain every
part in place. The only other alternative would be to use the AutoCAD array
command to pattern the parts, then save the assembly file and insert it into a
blank assembly file. As long as no one edits the original assembly, the part
should be frozen in place.
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
Posted:
Oct 28, 2008 6:09 PM
in response to: Siebrenmetz
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Point your UCS the right direction and use
MINSERT.
Hello,
Is there a possibility te pattern (or arry) assembly's with MDT6? I have a
part and that part must be pattern 17x with a 2000mm spacing. Now I must
constrain 17 parts. Is there a solution?
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Oct 28, 2008 7:55 PM
in response to: Siebrenmetz
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I just used command Array and select external sub
assy. It works rectangular and polar. I do not now what is the problem? MDT6.0 Al
Hello,
Is there a possibility te pattern (or arry) assembly's with MDT6? I have a
part and that part must be pattern 17x with a 2000mm spacing. Now I must
constrain 17 parts. Is there a solution?
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Oct 29, 2008 7:38 AM
in response to: Alex
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I belive the problem is that with "array" the parts
won't be constrained. Per Engberg
I just used command Array and select external sub
assy. It works rectangular and polar. I do not now what is the problem? MDT6.0 Al
Hello,
Is there a possibility te pattern (or arry) assembly's with MDT6? I have a
part and that part must be pattern 17x with a 2000mm spacing. Now I must
constrain 17 parts. Is there a
solution?
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Oct 29, 2008 10:48 AM
in response to: Per Engberg
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Sub assy's are constrained within
themselves. Obviously you have to constrain array
instances. Al
I belive the problem is that with "array" the
parts won't be constrained. Per Engberg
I just used command Array and select external
sub assy. It works rectangular and polar. I do not now what is the problem? MDT6.0 Al
Hello,
Is there a possibility te pattern (or arry) assembly's with MDT6? I have a
part and that part must be pattern 17x with a 2000mm spacing. Now I must
constrain 17 parts. Is there a
solution?
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Oct 30, 2008 4:06 AM
in response to: Alex
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I believe that is what I stated earlier in this
thread. As long as th esubassembly is not opened for editing, th
earrap will be "frozen" in 3D space without constraints. However the parts
inside the sub are free to move if the assembly is opened or edited. In Inventor
the same part positions are controlled by the feature pattern, not by additional
constraints.
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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified
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Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Oct 30, 2008 3:14 PM
in response to: Dennis Jeffrey
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Nice try
I believe that is what I stated earlier in this
thread. As long as th esubassembly is not opened for editing, th
earrap will be "frozen" in 3D space without constraints. However the parts
inside the sub are free to move if the assembly is opened or edited. In
Inventor the same part positions are controlled by the feature pattern, not by
additional constraints.
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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified
Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified
Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Oct 30, 2008 4:13 PM
in response to: Alex
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You are not planning on changing... I know that.... but others
might want to move on. Here's the pattern in IV2009 (real time) Can you do it that
fast in MDT? You will notice that this is an assembly of two parts. Size of
the assembly or number of parts in the assembly does not matter.
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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified
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Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Nov 3, 2008 6:50 PM
in response to: Dennis Jeffrey
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Looks good like in those TV
commercials. Now I want to have 6 locked Scenes with 2 3 4
5 6 assy array patterns respectively. Create 6 dwg layouts from each Scene with
multiviews and sections with ref dims and custom BOM's. Use filter to clean up 2D unnecessary entities and
other stuff to make dwgs look professional. Everything in one file so I do not have to dig through
directories to find where are these 2D views. And if I want update my design without spending a
tonn of time to do that. If IV can do that I'll switch right
now. Al
You are not planning on changing... I know that.... but
others might want to move on. Here's the pattern in IV2009 (real time) Can you do it that
fast in MDT? You will notice that this is an assembly of two parts. Size
of the assembly or number of parts in the assembly does not
matter.
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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified
Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified
Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
AIP 2008 SP2, AIP 2009-SP1
PcCillin AV
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Nov 4, 2008 7:44 PM
in response to: Alex
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Be carefull what you
promise! "Now I want to have 6 locked Scenes with 2 3 4
5 6 assy array patterns respectively." Shown in the
attached image. "Create 6 dwg layouts from each Scene with
multiviews and sections with ref dims and custom BOM's." Can be done easily from the Scenes. Styles enable
multiple custom configured Parts Lists. "Use filter to clean up 2D unnecessary entities and
other stuff to make dwgs look professional." This is easily done. Inventor uses layers and anything
in any view may be hidden. "Everything in one file so I do not have to dig through
directories to find where are these 2D views." Inventor NEVER uses the "Eggs all in one basket
approach". Let me ask this: have you ever had a DWG get corrupted and have to
start all over because you had all the parts, all the scenes, and all the
layouts all in one file? "And if I want update my design without spending a
ton of time to do that." All changes to the assembly file trickle down to the
Scenes and the 2D drawings. Inventor even has the DWG formats readable in most
AutoCAD versions. "If IV can do that I'll switch right
now." Ready? There's many more features that are missing in
MDT that make your job much more productive and fun! Al
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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified
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Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified
Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
Posted:
Nov 5, 2008 2:16 PM
in response to: Dennis Jeffrey
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Be specific, IV uses layers in the drawing environment
only and IV controls those layers for the most part. "Eggs all in one basket" Let me ask you this, have
you ever had a part or assembly drawing moved, deleted, or corrupted and ruin a
lot of work. Have you ever had to use IV files for the submittal process? The
entities we work with would laugh at a culmination of IV files. One file
containing all drawings and the base model is very important to a lot of
manufacturers. Because IV never uses this approach it is
not an option for our work. Still not quite ready for prime time
players. Aug |
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
Posted:
Nov 5, 2008 2:20 PM
in response to: Aug
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What manufacturers demand MDT files? The ones I work with use
Inventor, Catia UGS, Solidworks, Pro/E, Solid Edge or any of the other modelers,
all of which produce multiple file formats.
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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified
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Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
Posted:
Nov 5, 2008 2:50 PM
in response to: Dennis Jeffrey
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If you visit and go to systems you will see a huge assemblies in
MDT6.0 with external sub assemblies=>layouts in one file and
parts+layouts in one file. All can be instantly "Open to edit " and modified
models=>drawings from assy tree, printed and send to the
shop. That what is the production
requirements. Different ball game. I am out of this discussion. Al
What manufacturers demand MDT files? The ones I work with
use Inventor, Catia UGS, Solidworks, Pro/E, Solid Edge or any of the other
modelers, all of which produce multiple file formats.
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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified
Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified
Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
AIP 2008 SP2, AIP 2009-SP1
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
Posted:
Nov 5, 2008 4:36 PM
in response to: Dennis Jeffrey
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We are the manufacturer. The submittals are to different state and
governmental agencies. They laugh at IV files, (and won't accept
them). Aug |
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
Posted:
Nov 5, 2008 2:34 PM
in response to: Aug
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"Eggs all in one basket" Let me ask you this, have you ever
had a part or assembly drawing moved, deleted, or corrupted and ruin a lot of
work. No, in fact, if you move external MDT part/assy files outside
the existing folder, then you have to "relocate" the references, right? Inventor
uses Project Files which can find any file that was moved within theproject
search path. Inventor is less likely to corrupt a file if properly used.
The use of multiple file formats ( Assy, Part, Scenes, etc) make large assembly
design faster AND more stable. Yes, it does require learning a new system of
design. No, it does not mean that your MDT talents are obsolete. Most of the
things that you took a lot of time to learn, are actually simpler in Inventor.
See the attached PDF file on workplanes as an example. I remember how long it
took me to get my arms around creating workplanes in Mechanical Desktop. My
Inventor students, can grasp the process in an hour or two, with no previous 3-D
modeling experience. Have you ever had to use IV files for the submittal
process? Yes. I do it, and my customers do it all the time. Most
manufacturers are using one or more 3D Modelers, and accept many file formats.
As to manufacturers such as GM, etc., They want 2D AutoCAD DWG formats for
documentation. Those are easily created in Inventor. Question for everyone reading this post - When was the last
time that you actually looked at Inventor? If it was a long time ago, the "baby"
is fully grown.
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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified
Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified
Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Nov 5, 2008 4:47 PM
in response to: Dennis Jeffrey
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"Eggs all in one basket" Let me ask you this, have you
ever had a part or assembly drawing moved, deleted, or corrupted and ruin a lot
of work. No, in fact, if you move external MDT part/assy files
outside the existing folder, then you have to "relocate" the references, right?
Inventor uses Project Files which can find any file that was moved within
theproject search path. *****(Nope,...everything is local to the drawing, hence "eggs in one
basket".) Inventor is less likely to corrupt a file if properly
used. The use of multiple file formats ( Assy, Part, Scenes, etc) make large
assembly design faster AND more stable. Yes, it does require learning a new
system of design. No, it does not mean that your MDT talents are obsolete. Most
of the things that you took a lot of time to learn, are actually simpler in
Inventor. See the attached PDF file on workplanes as an example. I remember how
long it took me to get my arms around creating workplanes in Mechanical Desktop.
My Inventor students, can grasp the process in an hour or two, with no previous
3-D modeling experience. Have you ever had to use IV files for the submittal
process? Yes. I do it, and my customers do it all the time. Most
manufacturers are using one or more 3D Modelers, and accept many file formats.
As to manufacturers such as GM, etc., They want 2D AutoCAD DWG formats for
documentation. Those are easily created in Inventor. ******Do any of these submittals have to adhere to layer conventions? Question for everyone reading this post - When was the
last time that you actually looked at Inventor? If it was a long time ago, the
"baby" is fully grown. *****Currently using IV 2009, it's got some pretty cool features. I've been
working with Autodesk for some time now to try and find a way to utilize IV
but have had no luck. Large government infrastructure projects have a management
and submittal process that isn't real open to change to accommodate someone who
is not using the correct software. You either do it their way or move on. I'd
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
Posted:
Nov 6, 2008 5:12 AM
in response to: Aug
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I guess then you have your answer until you can't run it on a
new system any more...
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Nov 6, 2008 2:06 PM
in response to: Dennis Jeffrey
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That's Autodesk's answer as well. So goes the customer base. Aug |
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
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Nov 4, 2008 9:24 PM
in response to: Alex
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Does anyone else get this when there are
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
Posted:
Oct 30, 2008 8:35 AM
in response to: Siebrenmetz
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Thanks for the tips. It's to bad that there isn't not a possibility to pattern assembly's with MDT.
There is no parametric solution for multiple assembly's such as pattern. I must constrain each assembly to each other.
That is a lot of time for 20 or more assembly's. For example: I have a to place 7 assembly's in a line.
The parameter what I want to control is the offset between each assembly.
X----X----X----X----X----X----X (X = the assembly, - = the spacing, n= sum of assemly=7) I want to control the offset.
The parameter I want to change is the spacing.
X--X--X--X--X--X--X--X--X--X (X= assembly, - = new spacing, n= sum of assembly=10, because the spacing is less)
Now I do this with array. But for a new spacing, I must delete the array and make a new array.
The best tip was to make the array in a subassembly. The assembly's in the subassembly's are grounded.
Thanks.
Edited by: SiebrenMetz on Oct 30, 2008 8:35 AM
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
Posted:
Oct 30, 2008 2:10 PM
in response to: Siebrenmetz
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Might be time to look at Inventor. It handles large assemblies
better. This is just one example.
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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified
Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified
Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
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Re: Pattern Assembly's?
Posted:
Nov 13, 2008 10:12 PM
in response to: Siebrenmetz
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When I need to array parts in MDT, the only way I know of is by using the
combine command.
I make a small dummy part, and constrain the part to it. then use
"combine" - "join" . The dummy part now has a feature that can be arrayed as
needed. The dymmy part is a part of, and hidden inside the "part" feature
The downside to this approach is that the QTY in the BOM of arrayed parts
isn't calculated unless you modify the std. BOM to calculate it.
Best Regards
E. Kiilerich
wrote in message news:6060719@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hello, Is there a possibility te pattern (or arry) assembly's with MDT6? I
have a part and that part must be pattern 17x with a 2000mm spacing. Now I
must constrain 17 parts. Is there a solution?
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