Discussion Groups

thanks David.
I am up for new hardware soon and was wondering whether to go 64 bit or not.

Running into RAM limitations? Not yet Chris, but I can see we will soon, mainly for rendering though.

If there is a 64 bit version of acad2008, may I ask why there isn't one for ACA2008? Will ACA2009 be available in 64 bit?

I cannot legally talk about specific dates, but this is planned for the
future. The demand is currently not there right now.

Regards-
Chris
--
Chris Yanchar
Product Design Manager
AutoCAD Design & DWF Apps
AEC
Autodesk, Inc.

wrote in message news:5525409@discussion.autodesk.com...
Running into RAM limitations? Not yet Chris, but I can see we will soon,
mainly for rendering though.

If there is a 64 bit version of acad2008, may I ask why there isn't one for
ACA2008? Will ACA2009 be available in 64 bit?

Plain AutoCAD outsells ADT by a huge margin, huge. ADT
numbers are not that impressive in comparison, especially to
bean counters. Go figure, they go after the bigger market to
make more money :)

--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
--

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:10:56 +0000, Bubbaloo wrote:



Nope, it doesn't make any sense.

The demand for 64-bit (large memory) ACA is actually larger, on a
user-percentage wise, than AutoCAD. If you have 100 ACA users, probably 99 of
them can definitely take advantage of the larger address space, given how much
stuff needs to be dealt with at any one time. And with a larger memory space to
work with, we can more effectively model and render in 3D in the normal course
of design work, on top of all of the ACA stuff.

But with AutoCAD, perhaps only 50 out of 100 users can really use the increased
memory, those who use ACAD for 3D modeling and rendering.

Matt
mstachoni@comcast.net
mstachoni@bhhtait.com

I understand acad can be used for a whole raft of tasks, which may generate much larger files than those created by architecture. Given the nature of 3D, the fact ADT is built on top of acad and ADT being the 3rd biggest installed program in the Autodesk stable, I would have thought the 64 bit option would have appeared at the same time as the acad. Are any other verticals being offered as 64 bit at this time Chris?

I'm also surprised annotative scaling doesn't apply to ADT objects as it does with acad. Will this be in the next release?

As far as I am aware, a few other products are supporting 64 bit this
release (eg. Inventor, AutoCAD Mechanical, ACAD Electrical). You can browse
the product pages to find out more.

As I mentioned earlier, I cannot legally talk about specific dates, but this
is planned for the future.

Chris

wrote in message news:5526415@discussion.autodesk.com...
I understand acad can be used for a whole raft of tasks, which may generate
much larger files than those created by architecture. Given the nature of
3D, the fact ADT is built on top of acad and ADT being the 3rd biggest
installed program in the Autodesk stable, I would have thought the 64 bit
option would have appeared at the same time as the acad. Are any other
verticals being offered as 64 bit at this time Chris?

I'm also surprised annotative scaling doesn't apply to ADT objects as it
does with acad. Will this be in the next release?

I don't think it work well with Vista, Because Vista need a lot of hardware resources to get it 's good looking interface. I am so tired of Autodesk's; If I am the Big Boss here at work I will sure try other option. I have a feeling that Autodesk let their marketing crews do all the talking. Always change file version to make more money and we also have to pay for a few new features.

Pardon me for being the cave man here, but it's unfortunately a necessary question:
When it goes 64-bit compatible will it still work with 32-bit machines? XP? Vista only?
If Vista only and you can't say when can you say when not? Like not next year?

Keith D. Rodebush
SGAI

Dave provided a pretty good response. For the foreseeable future, 32 bit
systems will likely be mainstream and you will likely see dual support as
AutoCAD 2008 has provided. Similarily our surveys indicated that most
customers are not migrating in droves immediately to Vista and XP will be
the mainstream for a couple more years.

Sorry, but that's the best answer I can legally provide at this time.

Chris
--
Chris Yanchar
Product Design Manager
AutoCAD Design & DWF Apps
AEC
Autodesk, Inc.

wrote in message news:5531196@discussion.autodesk.com...
Pardon me for being the cave man here, but it's unfortunately a necessary
question:
When it goes 64-bit compatible will it still work with 32-bit machines? XP?
Vista only?
If Vista only and you can't say when can you say when not? Like not next
year?

Keith D. Rodebush
SGAI

"I'm also surprised annotative scaling doesn't apply to ADT objects as it does with acad. Will this be in the next release? "

Who said that? Part of the development effort this go round was to incorporate annotation scaling into ADT. If you make a Multi-View Block [such as a Schedule Tag] out of annotative view blocks, the MVB will be annotative. The Define Schedule Tag function creates annotative tags automatically.

--

David Koch
Autodesk Discussion Group Facilitator
Using ADT 2004 at work; access to 2005, 2006 & 2007 at home

Oh, ok.

AEC Dimensions are annotative - if the specified dimension style for the active Display Representation is annotative, so far as the dimension text and arrows are concerned; the spacing between chains does not change, so using the out-of-the-box "Exterior - Rough Opening" style at a scale smaller than 3/32" = 1'-0" results in text overlapping the next chain and at scales larger than 1/4" = 1'-0" the spaces between chains starts to look a bit excessive. And editing the location of one of the chains in place adjusts it for all scales, not just the current one, unlike Multi-View Blocks. [Sorry for the imperial scales, but that is what I work with; the overlap or excessive spacing may occur at slightly different relative metric scales, but you get the idea.]

Sounds like a good wish list topic.

--

David Koch
Autodesk Discussion Group Facilitator
Using ADT 2004 at work; access to 2005, 2006 & 2007 at home

Such a change would not be backwards compatible. In other words, the code
that reads the data from the objects and displays wouldn't know how to
display hatching at different scales, for example in wall components.
Visual & functional fidelity between file formats is something that the
broad user base is not comfortable with in an environment of multiple
releases being utilized in a building project.

Chris
--
Chris Yanchar
Product Design Manager
AutoCAD Design & DWF Apps
AEC
Autodesk, Inc.

wrote in message news:5530247@discussion.autodesk.com...
I asked the developers during beta testing why they weren't including hatch
scaling within AEC objects and they couldn't give me a answer. Maybe next
release.

now, now David. Play nicely.

I asked a question and Chris explained that this feature cannot be encorporated into ACA until the next file format change.

Well too many problems with 64 bit and not all ACA related so basically returne to 32 bit until there is full support from adesk

That's right... The vertical products (architecture, civil...) for 2008
block the install on XP 64 or Vista 64.

wrote in message news:5530438@discussion.autodesk.com...
AA 2008 is the first application I encountered which will not even install
on my XPx64 system. I am running ADT 2006 flawlessly + many other 32 bit
applications from the Program Files(x86) directory where XPx64 installs
them. This new baby however displays this error message instead of the
Installation Shield: "This is 32-bit AutoCAD Architecture 2008. It can not
be installed on 64-bit Windows." As if a 64-bit version were available. Is
there one?

No, Autoesk is moving forwards with other software...

Good luck with that!

Chris,
I would like to pose a simple question; if all other (previous) releases of the ADT family of software run on Windows XP x64 but utilizing the WoW64 (Windows on Windows, which coincidentally is what 32-bit native programs do) why was the installer written to prevent installation on XP and Vista x64? What precipitated this change. I think Autodesk underestimated the actually 64-bit user base.
Respectfully,
Jason Biagio

Chris,
At the risk of sounding redundant, the Autodesk website explicitly states that ADT 2007 is not supported under Windows XP 64 bit (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/item?siteID=123112&id=8149346&linkID=9240657) but you can install it and it runs great. Why then would a new release (AutoCAD Architecture) not install and run even though previous versions were allowed to "unsupported". This simply does not compute. Dedicated 64-bit is a great idea...but why only a select few of the vertical programs? Are the 64-bit users like myself simply "up a creek"?
Respectfully yours,
Jason

is Revit 2008 supported on a 64bit machine?

--
Brian Earsley
www.arete3.com
18645 South West Creek Drive
Tinley Park, Illinois 60477
708.342.1250 x.225

New to DWF? Check it out!
http://www.arete3.com/services/communication.html
select "ARCHITECTURE" - "File Formats"

wrote in message news:5536863@discussion.autodesk.com...
"a dedicated 64-bit version
was created for AutoCAD 2008, and some verticals, that is designed & tested
to operated on 64-bit XP/Vista."

So acad and some verticals were ported to 64bit but not ACA? I understand
why you have blocked the 64bit install if it isn't supported (all those
annoying calls) but again I ask, if other verticals have a 64bit version,
why not ACA2008?

I guess we'll just have to wait until 2009 while letting the base acad iron
out all the issues this version.

I have a "high end" XI computer that is 64-bit but I can't use it. I have to
install ACA 2008 on an older machine because Autodesk can't handle it.
that's bull ****!



wrote in message news:5536963@discussion.autodesk.com...
I can't believe that Autodesk would require more than 2 GB of RAM and not
support 64-bit. We are currently working on some rather large projects that,
frankly, bog ADT 2007 w/2G RAM, dual core processors, and quadro FX5500
Graphics. I was hoping ACA2008 would run in 64-BIT. When I tried to install
it on an XP64 system, I stared at the message in disbelief. Come on
Autodesk, keep up with current technology.

They want XP profeessional with 4 GB RAM but it can't be 64 bit





Recommended System Requirements The following are the recommended hardware
and operating system requirements for installing both the AutoCAD MEP 2008
and Revit MEP 2008 applications on a single workstation.

. Intel CoreT 2 Duo 2.40 GHz, or equivalent AMD Athlon processor


. Windows XP Professional (SP2 or later)


. 4 GB RAM


. 8 GB free disk space


. 128MB, 1280x1024 32-bit color video display adapter, True Color


. Dedicated video card with hardware support for OpenGL® spec 1.3 or later


. MS-Mouse compliant

Yes it does - but that's its limit.

Perhaps if we all ask nicely Adesk will provide a patch to allow ACA2008 to be installed on 64bit OS, with the recognition it is not supported?

Tom...
Just print this out (see attachment) and show them...

Windows XP 32bit will allow an application up to 2.75Gb max. The remaining 1.25Gb goes for the OS. What is strange is Linux 32bit can support 16Gb of ram, same hardware (Pentium Pro or above). Too bad there is no Linux ADT.

Windows XP 32bit doeshonestly support 4Gb. It only truly supports 3Gb. To add insult to injury, only half of that ram is available to applications. There is a 3Gb switch which will allows 2Gb to applications if they were written to support it.

I have to downgrade a Windows x64 machine to Windows XP 32bit because of problems with running ACA 2008. This is ludicrous, 64bit cpu's have been out for years. Most printers now have 64 bit drivers, most apps will now run on x64 machines, but a huge memory hog like
ACA 2008 only runs on 32 bit Windows???

AutoDesk, please survey all of your ACA clients, and ask about x64 support. The responses will surprise you. We need x64 support.

Cheers,

Alex C.

I applaud the early adopters of 64 bit computing, but is this mainstream? What % of the kazillion autocad/adt/aca/revit/etc legal licenses are running 64 bit boxes? Early adoption is great, but it seems that you would still need to keep mainstream (xp, 3.8 pentiums,etc) hardware current. It is hard enough to get new boxes every 3 years. Pushing the limit is great. It seems the average arch firm isn't going to 64 bit. It is all about consumer grade boxes with a little extra video card ($1500 max, with monitor). Cadalyst reviews for $2500+ (ya right, hahahahah) With that in mind, computer software companies need to realize that the average user doesn't know they need 64bit software/hardware. The end user needs lean & mean tools that get the job done. That is all I got after a couple of Keystones. Thanks.

If you aren't looking for the fastest system that you can afford, you aren't
using ADT correctly! When you refresh all of your elevations and sections
with your materials set up to the proper hatch patterns along with a
rendering for clients to review, you get tired of waiting. I have gone away
from rendering and export to 3D DWF files for clients. When you spend over
$10,000 in software a $2000 computer doesn't seem like much.





wrote in message news:5543793@discussion.autodesk.com...
I applaud the early adopters of 64 bit computing, but is this mainstream?
What % of the kazillion autocad/adt/aca/revit/etc legal licenses are running
64 bit boxes? Early adoption is great, but it seems that you would still
need to keep mainstream (xp, 3.8 pentiums,etc) hardware current. It is hard
enough to get new boxes every 3 years. Pushing the limit is great. It
seems the average arch firm isn't going to 64 bit. It is all about consumer
grade boxes with a little extra video card ($1500 max, with monitor).
Cadalyst reviews for $2500+ (ya right, hahahahah) With that in mind,
computer software companies need to realize that the average user doesn't
know they need 64bit software/hardware. The end user needs lean & mean
tools that get the job done. That is all I got after a couple of Keystones.
Thanks.

Autodesk thinks every one is going to eventually switch over to Revit. If I
have to learn a new software program all over again why would I stick with
Autodesk? This would be the time to switch since I just got screwed!
Tom




wrote in message news:5545663@discussion.autodesk.com...
The way autodesk has been treating this has been very disappointing to me.
They don't seem to realize that design professionals use x64 machines not
only for ADT / ACE

It is also the very first major application that just won't install on x64,
and all they say in return is that it was never supported in the first
place. That just an easy answer, and no willingness to help the users.

I also asked for help on the autodesk beta website, and only got answers
that said nothing. As far as I am concerned, I will recommend to our company
to stop all subscriptions, and use a different cad program.
After some research the past days I found several alternatives that are
cheaper on a yearly basis, and have been testing them to see which I will
recommend.

This seems to be only way for this problem to make autodesk realize that
they made a big mistake with the development of ACE2008. And I could respect
it if they were just honest about it. But all answers I have read say
nothing to help users that paid quite a lot for a product that won't
install.

Regards,
Eric

1. Download Orca from Microsoft and install.

2. Create a network deploy of ACA 2008.

3. Go to the deploy directory, and backup the original ACA.msi install file
to another location.

4. Open the ACA.msi install file and add the code to allow a 64 bit OS for
installations. It is usually under the table "LaunchCondition" and the
condition named "VersionNT >=500" I would add another condition:

for Windows Xp 64 Bit SP2 VersionNT64 >=501
or for Windows Vista 64 Bit VersionNT64 >=600

Look here: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa370556.aspx

5. Save the new MSI.

6. Install with the new MSI file and pray. It should work about as well as
the previous versions of ADT did.

Don't expect Autodesk to support you if this does not work. You are on your
own. Test this thoughroughly before deployment. Try at your own risk.


"Brian" wrote in message
news:5545813@discussion.autodesk.com...
is Revit 2008 supported on a 64bit machine? or even install on 64 bit?

--
Brian Earsley
www.arete3.com
18645 South West Creek Drive
Tinley Park, Illinois 60477
708.342.1250 x.225
"Tom DeMita" wrote in message
news:5545810@discussion.autodesk.com...
Autodesk thinks every one is going to eventually switch over to Revit. If I
have to learn a new software program all over again why would I stick with
Autodesk? This would be the time to switch since I just got screwed!
Tom




wrote in message news:5545663@discussion.autodesk.com...
The way autodesk has been treating this has been very disappointing to me.
They don't seem to realize that design professionals use x64 machines not
only for ADT / ACE

It is also the very first major application that just won't install on x64,
and all they say in return is that it was never supported in the first
place. That just an easy answer, and no willingness to help the users.

I also asked for help on the autodesk beta website, and only got answers
that said nothing. As far as I am concerned, I will recommend to our company
to stop all subscriptions, and use a different cad program.
After some research the past days I found several alternatives that are
cheaper on a yearly basis, and have been testing them to see which I will
recommend.

This seems to be only way for this problem to make autodesk realize that
they made a big mistake with the development of ACE2008. And I could respect
it if they were just honest about it. But all answers I have read say
nothing to help users that paid quite a lot for a product that won't
install.

Regards,
Eric

I tried it today...
Didn't work for me. I followed excatly what he recommends, but still get the same result.

Thanks for the Update posted Today

http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=562426

Will have to try this when i get the chance?

Hey! Thanks for watching. I thought that Autodesk was microsoft compliant? I was very surprised to see the message that it would not install. How am I doing to be able to create the specific installation and test it for my Company? I do that on my home computer (because I work 16 hour days). I installed the beta of AutoCAD and it worked fine on WinXP 64. This is just such a disappointment. It very seriously impacts my software and hardware development as we will be adopting VISTA and upgrading ram this year. Windows XP will not run well with 4 gb of ram. Windows has numerous tech notes about it.

Steve in Alaska

I did

Steve in Alaska

No, just a teaser email.

I run 64 bit on my testing platform - I test everything before it goes on the active work computers.

Steve in Alaska

Interesting theory, but I understand there is no 64bit version of Revit either.

! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !



! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Hi. I am architect and a coder in one person. when my boss bought 8 new high-end machines with Vista 64bit system and when he also bought 8 x AutoCAD Architecture 2008 licences he was really PIST OFF when he heard that it was... a BIG waste of money.
so i started to look for solution. i spent 8days for it. finally i figured it out. you have to modify few .exe files and IT WILL SUCCESSFULLY end installation proccess. becouse these files that you are about to modify are not copied to your disk you have 100% Legal working AutoCAD Architecture 2008.

email me for help: swierko@op.pl

no. his method doesn't work, becouse this lines in installer doesn't check 64bit system but check minimum requirements.

"Poster's" Method does in fact work...as I am currently running ACA 2008 on three 64-bit boxes after making the suggested changes.

I made the change suggested by "poster" to my network install image. I could not change the default tool for the install shortcut, but I did modify the files within the AdminImage folder. By doing this, I could install ACA on my 64bit box by using the setup.exe file inside the AdminImage folder. I was also successful in installing ACA on a number of 32bit XP machines using the same network install image. I have not noticed any problems so far. I have also not seen any pathing issues in the 64 bit Vista OS.

I am watching this topic and would like to know if you run into problems So please let us know if you have issues

I am not familiar with Microsoft Orca Is it a complicated Program?

For know I am Unable to use my brand new computer for ACA unless i buy a new 32 bit OS

IS Autodesk going to fix this issue in service pack 1 ????????

Pierre

Hey Thanks for the direct link, I downloaded Orca and played around with and it looks fairly Easy to use. I will try to install my new ACA software as soon as get a chance?

However I am still worried about a few things like what if I have a plug-in like vision-rez will i be able to install or will i have to do the similar modification. It's kind of risky when you're really busy at work.

Thanks

Paying for a yearly subscription is really expensive - you would think it would warrant a heads-up from Autodesk on their Vista 64 support plans. I mean, we're talking communication with their customers here. (Does Autodesk have a PR department)?

Been watching this closely. Any new word on the 64bit vista issue? On another note, I work with a designer / architect using the new Mac 64 bit sys and O.S. Works flawlessly with archicad. May be time to switch

It seems like ArchiCAD is the future Google of Autodesk ADT or AutoCAD architecture and Revit and so on and so on. Can any one count it all?

specifically which government regulations?

The below installation instructions are also provided in the ReadMe file:

1. Install the latest .NET Framework (64 bit) from Microsoft on the destination workstations.

2. Copy the contents of the installation DVD to a local drive or network location.

3. In the main install folder, rename the original ACA.msi and setup.ini files to preserve them.

4. Copy the provided replacement ACA.msi and Setup.ini files into the main install folder.

5. Run the installation/deployment procedure as normal.


It is very important to reiterate that this is a workaround as development has not fully tested AutoCAD Architecture 2008 in 64 bit environments. If you choose to implement the workaround, you must be aware that this will allow the product to be installed on a 64 bit system, but if you experience crashes, drawing corruption, or other abnormal behavior we may not be able to provide aid in the troubleshooting process.

Our development team is working on a true 64 bit application but cannot provide any further details at this time.

---------

Basically if you do what "poster" suggests its the same thing only DIY

Message was edited by: Matt_Clarke

What files am I suppose to copy into the main folder? You say the "provided" files, can I get those files?

thanks

How should I contact you? via e-mail, or is there some other preferred method?

Thanks

Dear, David Koch

I have some questions for ACA 2008 , 64 bit system Loading
Above Passages, do not recommended but it works.
(Discussion group)
Can you give me some information this ?

I'm thinking about antother method
Install the Autocad 2008 64 bit module and Later Load the
ADT moudule.
Is it possible ? Maybe it's possible, Please give me some methods

Thanks, Regards
TS Chung

Be careful, the properties palette and the layer drop down box don't work
properly on a 64 bit OS.

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
news:5762771@discussion.autodesk.com...
Corey Pataky wrote:


contact me off list and I'll forward you the files that were sent to me.

arp@vance.net

I just purchase a new machine with one hard drive installed with XP 64 to run 3ds max 2008 and second hard drive with XP 32 to run my other main applications, ACAD-2008, Revit 2008, Adobe production, office 2003, etc.
Reading this post it seem that I can run these applications on the 64 bit OS

I appreciate if you can email to me those files, my email address is
gjara@liebke.org

Good question.