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Replies: 14 - Last Post: Nov 23, 2007 3:49 PM Last Post By: Jason Hickey

Mal

Posts: 312
Registered: 11/07/03

Confused Companion
Posted: May 9, 2006 7:17 PM

Is there, and what is the difference in the
1. “Civil 3D Land Desktop Companion 2007” and
2. “Civil 3D – Civil Companion 2007”?

Am I correct in assuming that the “Civil 3D – Civil Companion” is when a shop only has LDT 2007. I say this because Civil 3D – Civil Companion 2007 comes in it’s own packaging where as Civil 3D Land Desktop Companion 2007 comes with Civil 3D.

Although I appreciate your comments, please do not reply unless you know for a fact.

Thanks

Scott McEachron

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: May 9, 2006 7:32 PM

in response to: Mal

Land Desktop Companion = Land Desktop
Civil Companion = Civil Design

Civil 3D comes with the Land Desktop Companion (in the same box).
Civil Companion comes seperately
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Scott McEachron
DC CADD, Dallas - Fort Worth
http://c3dpavingtheway.blogspot.com/

wrote in message news:5169027@discussion.autodesk.com...
Is there, and what is the difference in the
1. "Civil 3D Land Desktop Companion 2007" and
2. "Civil 3D - Civil Companion 2007"?

Am I correct in assuming that the "Civil 3D - Civil Companion" is when a
shop only has LDT 2007. I say this because Civil 3D - Civil Companion 2007
comes in it's own packaging where as Civil 3D Land Desktop Companion 2007
comes with Civil 3D.

Although I appreciate your comments, please do not reply unless you know for
a fact.

Thanks

Jason Hickey

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: May 9, 2006 9:01 PM

in response to: Mal

Mal wrote:

Is there, and what is the difference in the 1. “Civil 3D Land Desktop
Companion 2007” and 2. “Civil 3D – Civil Companion 2007”?

Am I correct in assuming that the “Civil 3D – Civil Companion” is
when a shop only has LDT 2007. I say this because Civil 3D – Civil
Companion 2007 comes in it’s own packaging where as Civil 3D Land
Desktop Companion 2007 comes with Civil 3D.

Although I appreciate your comments, please do not reply unless you
know for a fact.

that wonderful Autodesk marketing again. I get this question at
least weekly.

Ignore the word "Companion" altogether. Forever. It's a bad word.
Wipe it out of your vocabulary.

Civil 3D ships with Land Desktop. The full Land Desktop. The entire
Land Desktop program. , and only IF you need the Civil Design
add-on for Land Desktop, then you bought (and should install) Civil
Design. Civil Design and Civil 3D ARE NOT THE SAME PROGRAM. They do
mostly the same thing in extremely different ways.

That fact enough for you?

--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com

Conan Witzel

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: May 10, 2006 3:15 AM

in response to: Jason Hickey

Beg to differ,

Similar names, different programs, different outcomes.

My Civil Design is a reliable Pipe, Hydrology, Hydraulic and grading
solution, although incredibly outdated. Please let me know which of these
features is available as a "reliable" solution in Civil 3d. Super sketchy
pipes (forced to competitor .pack product) No Hydrology (forced to
competitor .pack product) No Hydraulics (forced to competitor .pack product
or custom solutions)

Now we come to Grading, apparently by posts in this NG still not recommended
until the SP (it does have potential if it doesn't crash every 5 minutes.
I am truly not a naysayer, just a user.)

I hate to gripe, but I am having a very, very hard time justifying this
subscription expense to my boss. Autocad 2007 does nothing for my firm (7
seats) (Other than nightmare of version change to clients!!) and Civil 3d
2007 (4 seats) I can't install until the SP.

You go sit in that room when your boss asks you "So what am I getting for my
$+-10,000 subscription?" (And I only have 10 seats total!!)

"Well boss, basically we need to buy all new computers to run the new
autocad. About $20,000."

"Okay," he says "Its that good?"

"Well no. It doesn't do anything for us. This release is mainly for
someone else." (I haven't figured who this is yet. Someone clue me in.
Mechies, I thought they had inventor? Archies, thought they had Revit?
Mindless drones who could have bought LT? I am not on the "Most anticipated
since 14!!!!!!" bandwagon. I see nothing but wasted time and money.)

"Well at least Civil 3d will make it worthwhile for us, right?"

"Well...."

Get my point? Civil "Companion" does what's advertised.

"IF>, and only IF you need the Civil Design
add-on for Land Desktop.

I can't do my job without it!!!

Thanks,

Conan Witzel

Jason Hickey

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: May 10, 2006 4:04 AM

in response to: Conan Witzel

Conan Witzel wrote:

My Civil Design is a reliable Pipe, Hydrology, Hydraulic and grading
solution, although incredibly outdated. Please let me know which of these
features is available as a "reliable" solution in Civil 3d. Super sketchy
pipes (forced to competitor .pack product) No Hydrology (forced to
competitor .pack product) No Hydraulics (forced to competitor .pack product

In my defense, I did say "mostly." You're exactly right about the
features that it's missing.

Now we come to Grading, apparently by posts in this NG still not recommended
until the SP (it does have potential if it doesn't crash every 5 minutes.
I am truly not a naysayer, just a user.)

Read my post down there somewhere - mine crashes too.

Get my point? Civil "Companion" does what's advertised.

On this, I fully agree.

I can't do my job without it!!!

Again, you're right. There are still people out there who have a very
distinct need for Civil Design. I'll stand by my original statement:
They do mostly the same thing in extremely different ways.

--
Jason Hickey
Civil 3D 2007
Dell Inspiron 9100
3.0 gHz, 2 GIG RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 (128 MB)
Windows XP Pro SP2

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com

Mal

Posts: 312
Registered: 11/07/03

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: May 10, 2006 10:40 PM

in response to: Jason Hickey

Thanks Jason

Yup! fact enough for me.

You are completely right , take out the word companion and the Civil 3D and it all makes sense.

Civil 3D Land Desktop Companion is -> LDT 2007
Civil 3D Civil Companion 2007 is -> the civil design module that sits on top of LDT 2007 no different than survey.

am I right.

Does Autodesk know of KISS obviously not.

Jason Hickey

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: May 11, 2006 2:25 AM

in response to: Mal

Mal wrote:

Does Autodesk know of KISS obviously not.

development team = great.

Marketing team = questionable ;)

--
Jason Hickey
Civil 3D 2007
Dell Inspiron 9100
3.0 gHz, 2 GIG RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 (128 MB)
Windows XP Pro SP2

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com

BehnamA

Posts: 6
Registered: 09/30/07

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: Oct 30, 2007 7:13 PM

in response to: Jason Hickey

Dear Friends ,
I am a little confused . Before , I was using Land Desktop and Civil design 2005 . Now I want to go to version 2007 . I have Land Desktop and Civil 3d 2007 installed on my PC . But I want to use Civil program as before . Just like Civil Design 2005 , I want to access Civil Menus from land interface . What can I do ? Wht do have to be installed on my PC to use such things ? Please let me know exactly what I have to download from website .

Thank you

wfb

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: Oct 30, 2007 8:28 PM

in response to: BehnamA

You have answers to this same question about 6 hours ago. Check on that
post, please.

Bill

wrote in message news:5764668@discussion.autodesk.com...
Dear Friends ,
I am a little confused . Before , I was using Land Desktop and Civil design
2005 . Now I want to go to version 2007 . I have Land Desktop and Civil 3d
2007 installed on my PC . But I want to use Civil program as before . Just
like Civil Design 2005 , I want to access Civil Menus from land interface .
What can I do ? Wht do have to be installed on my PC to use such things ?
Please let me know exactly what I have to download from website .

Thank you

behnamxa

Posts: 4
Registered: 11/20/07

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: Nov 20, 2007 6:20 PM

in response to: wfb

Dear Freidns ,
I have downloaded "cd2007_sp1 (Autodesk Civil 3D—Civil Design Companion 2007 Service Pack 2).exe" . But when I run it I receive this message :
"The service pack could not be installed because the expected Autodesk product could not be located on your computer " .

I am sure that I have civil 3d and land desktop 2007 on my PC . What is the problem ? What can I do to install civil design companion 2007 on my civil and land 2007 ?
Thank you
Behnam

dei-feif

Posts: 3,691
Registered: 11/19/06

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: Nov 20, 2007 9:54 PM

in response to: behnamxa

Are you sure you have Civil Design installed on your computer? Civil-3D is NOT Civil Design Companion.

And you shouldn't really be installing SP1. Assuming you actually have Land Desktop Companion and Civil Design Companion both installed, you should install Land Desktop SP2a first (ldc2007_sp2a.exe), then install the Civil Design SP (cd2007_sp2.exe). You should also make sure you have Civil-3D 2007 SP3 installed.

behnamxa

Posts: 4
Registered: 11/20/07

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: Nov 21, 2007 3:30 PM

in response to: dei-feif

I want to install Civil Design Companion 2007 on my computer . I thought Civil 3d 2007 SP 2 or 3 is the same as Civil Design Companion 2007 . Isn't ?
When I want to install Land or civil 3d SP3 and SP2a , I receive a message that my program is up-to-date and the service pack is not necessary . Then , How can I install Civil Design Companion 2007 ?

dei-feif

Posts: 3,691
Registered: 11/19/06

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: Nov 21, 2007 4:29 PM

in response to: behnamxa

No, you are confusing two unrelated programs.

Don't feel bad about this - Autodesk made incredibly poor choices with their naming scheme, and it has been confusing a lot of people.

When you get Civil-3D, you actually get TWO different and unrelated software packages. One of them is Civil-3D. The other is the old Land Desktop+Civil Design+Survey.

For Civil-3D, you only need to install Civil-3D, and you're set. That's the one that needs SP3.

However, Land Desktop is a combination of programs. I believe they changed the way they shipped 2007 about half-way through the year, so depending on which version you have, you may have Land+Civil+Survey all on one disc, or you may have them on 3 separate discs.

We only have the version where Land+Civil+Survey is on three discs, so we had to install each of those separately. After installing Land, we had to install Civil Design Companion, then we had to install Survey. You may need to do that same thing. But even if they all come on one disc, there are actually three separate programs all on that one disc - Land Desktop Companion, Civil Design Companion, and Survey.

Now if all you installed is Civil-3D and Land Desktop Companion, you still need to install Civil Design Companion if you want to use the Civil features (such as profiles) in Land Desktop. After that, you need to install Land Desktop SP2a and Civil Design SP2.

Remember, Civil-3D has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Land Desktop or Civil Design Companion or Survey. The Land/Civil/Survey is the "old" software that is being replaced by Civil-3D.

behnamxa

Posts: 4
Registered: 11/20/07

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: Nov 23, 2007 12:52 PM

in response to: dei-feif

I have land desktop 2007 and civil 3d 2007 . ok ?
Now I want to have Civil design 2007 on my land program .
I have these files :
ldt2007_sp2a (Autodesk Land Desktop 2007 Service Pack 2A).exe
ldt2007_sp1 (Autodesk Land Desktop 2007 Service Pack 1).exe
ldc2007_sp2a (Autodesk Civil 3D—Land Desktop Companion 2007 Service Pack 2A).exe
cd2007_sp2 (Autodesk Civil 3D—Civil Design Companion 2007 Service Pack 2).exe
cd2007_sp1 (Autodesk Civil 3D—Civil Design Companion 2007 Service Pack 2).exe
c3d2007_sp3_locked.exe
Autodesk Civil 3D 2007 Service Pack 3.exe

What file have to be installed to give me Civil Design Menu on Land Desktop 2007 ? None of them is able to be installed ( as I said before ) . Wher can I download if there is necessary file I don't have ?

Jason Hickey

Re: Confused Companion
Posted: Nov 23, 2007 3:49 PM

in response to: behnamxa

behnamxa wrote:

I have land desktop 2007 and civil 3d 2007 . ok ? Now I want to have
Civil design 2007 on my land program . I have these files :
ldt2007_sp2a (Autodesk Land Desktop 2007 Service Pack 2A).exe
ldt2007_sp1 (Autodesk Land Desktop 2007 Service Pack 1).exe
ldc2007_sp2a (Autodesk Civil 3D—Land Desktop Companion 2007 Service
Pack 2A).exe cd2007_sp2 (Autodesk Civil 3D—Civil Design Companion
2007 Service Pack 2).exe cd2007_sp1 (Autodesk Civil 3D—Civil Design
Companion 2007 Service Pack 2).exe c3d2007_sp3_locked.exe Autodesk
Civil 3D 2007 Service Pack 3.exe

What file have to be installed to give me Civil Design Menu on Land
Desktop 2007 ? None of them is able to be installed ( as I said
before ) . Wher can I download if there is necessary file I don't
have ?

None of the above.

You need to install Civil Design from its own disk (should be in your
Civil 3D package) Everything you listed above is a service pack, not
the program itself.

The first thing to do is get out that nifty DVD holder that contains
your installation disks and tell us how many are actually in the
package. If only 2, then Civil Design is included on the Land Desktop
companion disk. If 4, then it has its own installation disk. If your
package has neither, then it is possible that you never purchased Civil
Design (I've seen people who never had the program in the first place
beat their heads against the walls trying to "install" it...)

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com

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